Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....

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Originally Posted by edjen01

are you meaning like Luther and the Reformation?

Do you actually think the UPCI has made a big enough impact to make an historical difference?

Well, it's become the dominant, and most influential OP organization... to the extent that many people when they think of Oneness Pentecostal,they think of the UPC.

Luther's actions may have been historically significant, but in the end he was still a purveryor of corrupt doctrine. He simply traded one error for a lesser error --but an error nonetheless. I don't see him as a man who won souls into God's kingdom. I'm actually not as impressed with him as some seem to be.

Originally Posted by Innocuous

I do believe that at one time the UPC, and others, had a vision and a mission to do something God wanted them to do. But I think they've strayed off that path and recent leadership has only exacerbated that trend.

The UPC has won more souls into the Kingdom than any other Apostolic organization over the past several decades, which is the primary thing "God wanted them to do". When have they stopped doing that? From what I can see, they still have more missionary outreaches to more countries worldwide than any other org.

Originally Posted by Innocuous

God has certainly snuffed out his Spirit from orgs and left movements. Men keep them going and, but for the most part God isn't there any longer. This is nothing new, the OT is full of this sort of thing.

If you think the Spirit of God has left, or is leaving, the organization as a whole, you have a very short-sighted view of things.

Beyond the denominational politics and various issues that are overhyped on forums like this, souls are still being saved, churches still being planted, and God is using folks in the UPCI and other organizations. I think your perception of this is a lot gloomier than what the reality is -- and that applies to quite a few members here also.