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Originally Posted by gloryseeker
Well you would have to eliminate Ephesians 4 to uphold this position...however, you said "directly tied" so I am assuming you are eluding to the receivers decision to apply what is taught which I would agree with. However, what has been deemed as the "five-fold" has been given to the Body for maturity therefore the maturity has a direct connection with the "five-fold"
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as an educator i have learned that good teaching does not equal good learning. a mature pastor does not produce mature believers....believers who study, learn, and continue to grow...grow into maturity. if this were not true then believers who had inmature pastors could not grow in maturity...no matter what they did.
i do believe in the work of the ministry....but I do not believe that a believers maturity is regulated by what thier pastor chooses to be or not be.