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Old 03-30-2010, 06:45 PM
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Re: What Is The One Step Of One Step Doctrine?

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you go out on limbs that where never there.



Never said you did. My point though is the end you are negating the necessity and reality of the work.



Strawman argument as that was not my point. antinomians will even say you cannot be saved without works because only saved people will do works. It's circular logic that is worthless and negates the reality of what the works accomplish.... They accomplish "judgment" so that God can "consider" Gen 15:6 "count/account" them (which is "it" in the verse) as a righteous response. Which I have ALREADY pointed out! Abraham is a type and his type did not receive his promise UNTIL he was judged faithful by obedience.

I do not believe that there is such a thing as a true Christian who has no good works in their life. I believe that we are required to do good works.

hmmm interesting how I anticipated the slight of hand on this subject above.



correct and that is not the point. You though act as if there is no judgment of your response and then turn around say I am not feearful...yet we are told to agonize because so few will enter. EVERYONE has a relationship with God though. It is whether you are FAITHFUL TO HIS WORD THAT IS THE POINT!



The Spirit bears witness with our Spirit this would be correct.



two forms of justification which is taught by many in history. Start googling that.



again you are talking from a false point. I have already pointed out many times the aspect of atonement. Christ is our justice for our sin but that has nothing to do with the walk by which we are "considered" just to his calling and commandment. If we fail and turn to him we are alive. I notice you failed to even acknowledge these points that have BEEN CLEARLY MADE!



hmmm doesn't sound like the life of abraham that God consider your response just. Baptism is how you point to the contract signing of his promises to you. Thus you have rights and promises in covenant and also a CURSE (OH MY)



who said leverage? God judges your actions. You are in contract TO DO TO OBTAIN LIFE and you even pointed you have to give up everything... thus you must doing his will just as JESUS DID and ABIDED in the Father. I wish you would deal with scriptures...



uhhh yes and your point? At what point in time have I ever said it is not about relationship.



again have I said anything different? strawman icon anyone?



and again another false dilemma... keeping picking up the strawman and while your at it DEAL WITH THE SCRIPTURES I HAVE POINTED TO!
No matter what scripture is used, you will see it through your distorted lens of WORKS. You have a works paradigm. No argument or explanation will change that. No amount of truth will change your mind. It is obvious that this upsets you, so far be it from me to raise your blood pressure. You have a right to believe what you believe.

But let me ask you this: Of all the things I have said, and I have never said that good works are unimportant or should not be a part of the believer's life or that the believer should have a lax attitude toward good works etc.

So what is the problem with how I preach/teach the confidence a believe can have in their salvation?

And to be honest, you're so confusing I can't even really get a handle on just what it is you do believe about salvation!
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