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Originally Posted by pelathais
Really... all of this baptismal regenerationism is getting to you too?
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How can honesty be wiped away so easily by you guys! lol. You do not understand what Paul referred to by salvation by works, and you do not understand what baptismal regeneration actually is, which is NOT what ANYONE HERE is espousing.
Read it ---- baptismal regeneration is done in order to CREATE FAITH, not because of faith. Baptismal regeneration is the reason catholics baptize infants. Do I agree with baptizing infants? No. Why? Because that is baptismal regeneration. One needs NO FAITH when baptized in baptismal regeneration. And the all important fact is that WE DO INDEED NEED FAITH when baptized since the ACTION DOES NOT SAVE.
Paul taught detailingly about baptism putting us into the death of Christ in
Romans 6. Paul said that only so many of us who were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death. In other words, without baptism into Christ. His death is not counted as your deaths, and you are not saved.
Rom 6:3-6 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
You can jump and splash in the puddles of the milk of the word and never get into this meat, but if you are going to really deal with the issue, you have to study
Romans 6. And
Romans 6 clearly shows that baptism into His death is absolutely necessary. Peter told us in his epistle that baptism saves, and rather than accuse people of prooftexting, explain how in the world Peter meant that if it did not mean it is part of salvation.
But this will be swept beneath the carpet, too.
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