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Old 04-09-2010, 04:24 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

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Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. ESV
Ah yes, TL. Let's talk about John's Gospel.

What is the theme of John's Gospel? Believing. 3:16-18 perhaps being the thesis.

As I referenced 3:36, I'm not sure where you get "obey" from, though I was prepared to interact with you on that.

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. KJV

34-36"The One that God sent speaks God's words. And don't think he rations out the Spirit in bits and pieces. The Father loves the Son extravagantly. He turned everything over to him so he could give it away—a lavish distribution of gifts. That is why whoever accepts and trusts the Son gets in on everything, life complete and forever! And that is also why the person who avoids and distrusts the Son is in the dark and doesn't see life. All he experiences of God is darkness, and an angry darkness at that." The Message

36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." NIV

34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God’s words, for God gives him the Spirit without limit. 35 The Father loves his Son and has put everything into his hands. 36 And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.” NLT -- appears some varying translations of this verse... I think "obey" misses the parallel of the verse, "if you believe this, if you don't believe this." That's the structure. But either way, I can accept "obedience to the Son." HELLO! I'm not against obedience! I'm just don't see salvation because of yours or my obedience.

The ENTIRE theme of John is BELIEVE BELIEVE BELIEVE. Every story. Every parable. Every miracle. All the issues center on belief. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
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