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Originally Posted by notofworks
Hey Mike, I'd like to read this article you're referring to. Does it need to be emailed? I can PM the address to you.
But on the "Cross Alone" topic, I guess we're at an impasse. The topic has been hashed, rehashed, and overhashed. The main point I jumped in with was when you claimed you eliminated sin from your life, and as a result, received "The Holy Ghost" as you see receiving it, which is, as you see it, a necessary part of salvation. That, to me, is a system of bettering yourself in order to be saved. I'm sorry, I've tried to hear your heart, what you're saying, and how you're saying it, and it still just all adds up to you improving yourself in order to obtain God's grace.
Obviously, you disagree. I guess we'll let it go at that. For me, "Grace" that depends on us getting better, isn't grace. That would be more like a reward, not grace. Sorry Mike, I just can't get around this one.
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There is no article. It's a full book. HUGE file. You can read it online here:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdefen.htm
Regarding ridding self of sin, and our disagreement, whatever. Ridding self of sin, as I described it, is simply admitting it is wrong and refusing to hold onto it any more. In short, repentance. You claim we need repentance to be saved, and that it is not a work. It is a work, but not to make us righteous. And unless you can see what I described is repentance, then we indeed are at an impasse.
Only God can remove sin from us, when WE REPENT, and only God can give the Holy Ghost. So I do not know how you make that something categorized as improving ourselves.
To disagree is to say God does not mind us holding onto sin. Since I cannot accept that, then you and I cannot agree. I will never preach that God lets us hold onto sin and saves us anyway. But if I should say, "So, I do not think you got what I was trying to say," since I could not imagine you believing God lets us retain sin, you would shut me down again. So I will leave it as disagreement.
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