Hate Of Reformed Theology

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I understand your point but I think you miss mine. I feel he is playing both sides of the fence.

Actually, you're hearing two sides of the fence because your binary thinking put them there, Luke. It's not really a fence at all!

Even what you just said is seriously flawed. The work is Christ empowered(grace) by his Spirit. It is not MY work. It is HIS to do

Well, that was the entire subject the the thread we went back-and-forth on, "is sanctification God's work?" Glad we agree. But what I don't get is that you say in the end, we are judged by our works -- that's not jiving here. I am hearing two sides of the fence now

and to follow IF I choose. I know Socialite agrees on certain concepts but he also fails to be consistent.

Consistent to who or what? Not all things are either/or, often times they are both/and. This is the case.

As any person on the OSAS would call his last post WORKS BASED LEGALISM. Yet because I have different view to him I AM THE WORKS BASED.

Not following you. I'm not concerned what others label or call what I believe. I try to stay as close to scripture as I can.

Sorry know this whole argument all to well. You have doctrines that "it is hard to lose salvation" "easy to lose salvation" and "can't lose salvation" with a few variances in between. I cannot agree with his position as it is contradictory to way to many things. Narrow road is not hard to lose. My biggest difference is with it is easy is IMO God looks in the end at the sum of your work and your current position(justification) affects part of that.

Fair enough. You believe what you believe. I just believe God looks at HIS work, not my work, to justify me. And I think I have the majority of NT scripture on my side.

Are we still judged and have to "give account" for what we do? Yes. But what if that doesn't mean eternal judgment? We are the righteousness of Christ.

You are still in covenant/status with God but it can be bad or good.

Luke, this is the part I had a hard time following you. When I'd ask, I usually got reprimanded for not knowing my covenants enough. I really wanted to explore this more with you.

You cannot have lukewarm and "hard to lose." That is why reformed teachers HAVE TO ARGUE they where never saved in the first place.

I don't take that view. Though it's definitely true for some.

You cannot have people doing good with endurance etc... and lost and with total reprobate status about to be cast on you if you don't turn back to your first love and repent and have "it is hard to lose". Rev 2 church of Ephesus.

The judgment is about the SUM of your works. Justification is a short view of current standing concerning the work God has given you. In the end god will judge you worthy or not according to your faith(response) in total.

Read that. Doesn't that sound legalistic and in complete contrast to the whole of Galatians and Romans to you? Justification is temporary?

So how can we know we are saved? What assurance do we have that the Almighty won't send us to hell because we just weren't good enough anyway?