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Originally Posted by Socialite
YAWN.
I have the same answer, Lukey.
We are once justified. If we fall out of relationship with Christ, we are no more justified. We are justified as long as we continue following Him -- and as long as we are "in Christ." It takes a lot to be removed from the protection of Christ, and to be kicked out of his family. I find it difficult, in fact. God is patient, kind and loving. But many, who continue in habitual sin, will find themselves reprobate, turned away from God, believing the lie they continued to believe anyway -- that their way was better. It is not "off and on." That's not the conditional nature of the Father's house.
Now... your turn.
Is justification once for all, or off-and-on through one's life?
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nice twist but "once and for all" is not how you answered. You just threw in a conditonal. "as long as". You constantly attacked my opinion saying it was works based and conditional and you didn't like conditional.
My answer... it can be on or off. It def is not a once and for all as that is OSAS. You cannot be justified before God while in sin. That is the very nature of justification. RIGHT STANDING! You cannot be in right standing relationship wise while in sin. Justification/Gods consideration of being righteous in response to his Word given. We are judged in the end by our works and whether we did follow him and actually led by his Spirit. Current positional justification is about response to God' leading concerning what has been charged for you to do according to his will revealed. We are in covenant. When I fail my pledge and the covenant I have the right to make peace with God. REPENTANCE and asking for forgiveness. This restores me by his mercy which is because of his Grace upon the cross that he is mediator of the covenant and authority to forgive and power to lead and help me overcome IF I choose to follow/submit myself. In the end God judges our works faithful or not unto eternal life which he has promised to those who follow him. Salvation is a hope to receive. It is also realization known to someone who is walking by faith which is abiding. It is also seen as a complete promise/covenant to be attained by being given eternal life to the faithful. If you do his will as he did the Fathers WILL YOU ABIDE In HIM. There is not condemnation to those who are in Christ. Why? They are DOING his WILL and being led bythe Spirit of which the Spirit bears witness to.
You teach a forensic justification with a end time acquittal (once and for all)and then turn right around and give a "condition" in your last statement. You cannot have both!
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