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Originally Posted by pelathais
If, as you say, " his blood is applied at death" - then the blood is "applied" at the cross, for that is where He died. Using the "Three Steeper" motif - you appear to now be saying that the "blood is applied" at repentance (death).
In Romans 3:24-26, we have Paul explaining to the Romans the manner in which they were saved, their sins were forgiven and they were "justified" in the sight of God.
It was all done through the blood of Jesus Christ. That blood was shed at Calvary, not in the Garden Tomb.
Suggesting? Sister, I'm shouting it.
The point that I think that you are reaching for here is that Christ is no longer dead!
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
It was His death that reconciled us back to God (saved us- justified us - and paid the penalty for our sins).
It is His life that will save us "from the wrath that is to come..." By extension, that is our lives as well ( Galatians 2:20).
This thread is about how we are saved and become Christians. It's not really about "the Christian life or the Christian walk." That is an important theme as well, but it's not what NOW was stating when he started this thread. Of course, if we don't understand how we were saved from sin, then we can have a pretty messed up walk...
... that is why Paul went on to say, ( Galatians 2:21).
Yes, there are things we must do as Christians - we are His workmanship, created unto good works in Christ ( Ephesians 2:10); but if we don't get the foundation right ( Ephesians 2:8-9) then we'll have some problems. |
I understand that the Bible speaks, "without the shedding of blood there is no remission." I see that "remission" is "forgiveness". I see that all of the prophets give witness that through His name, if we believe, we will find remission for our sins. (
Acts 10:43). I also find that because I believed all of this I will, therefore, obey the Gospel. I find that if I repent and am baptized, I will receive the remission/forgiveness of my sins. (
Acts 2:38). I am not forgiven until I repent and am baptized.
I think that is when the blood takes effect in symbolism. His death is not only in the cross/crucifixion, but also simply because he has died. He was dead on the cross, dead when he was buried. Dead on the cross, dead in the tomb.
Buried with him by baptism into death....reconciled by his death, much more being reconciled by his death, we shall be saved by his life. (
Romans 6:4;
Romans 5:10)
We are justified, freely, by faith in the redemption/ransom paid in full of Jesus Christ. It was paid in full when he resurrected - death, burial, resurrection. We ourselves, having the fruitfruits of the Spirit, groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. (
Romans 8:23) Not there yet, but I press toward the mark.....
Not as though I have already attained, either were already perfect, but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which I am also apprehended of Christ Jesus. If I could get a hold of Him how He got a hold of me!
We are not fully saved until we walk through those pearly gates, but we have our belief/faith in Him and we have a Gospel to respond to. We are then made a "habitation" of God through His Spirit and the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith. (
Ephesians 2:22)
My faith had to get me here by some response on my part. My faith and belief that He simply died for me is not going to be enough. What does he say about Abraham? That he believed God and was counted as righteous. But, what else does it say?
"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham." (
Galatians 3:8)
Abraham had some instructions given because He believed, just like we have instructions given to us because of our belief.
I won't be able to respond anymore this afternoon. Just stopped for a bit to post this.
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