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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Please point me to one Oneness Person that says that God believes Himself to be His own Son...
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Are the Father and the Son the same person? Is there one "self" or two "selves"?
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Again who says he wrestles with two minds within Himself?
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Two wills. Jesus separated his own will from his Father's will. "Nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done."
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More or less but the Father is not the Son. They might be the same Person but HOW Father and Son exist and function are distinct. Some call that 'manifestation' and others call them "modes"
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So they are the same person, in different manifestations, or modes. OK. And these manifestations talk to each other, have different wills, know different things.
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First begotten OVER creation. It is a term of status. It means as the only begotten Son of God He is over all Creation
NET bible commentary
28 tn The Greek term πρωτότοκος (prōtotokos) could refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank. M. J. Harris, Colossians and Philemon (EGGNT), 43, expresses the meaning of the word well: "The 'firstborn' was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in [LXX] Psa_88:28 LXX (=Psa_89:27 EVV), 'I will also appoint him my firstborn (πρωτότοκον), the most exalted of the kings of the earth,' indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the πρωτό- element in the word denotes time, rank, or both, the significance of the -τοκος element as indicating birth or origin (from τίκτω, give birth to) has been virtually lost except in ref. to lit. birth." In Col_1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus' rank as over and above creation (cf. Col_1:16 and the "for" clause referring to Jesus as Creator).
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OK.
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