Question For The Evangelical Type Apostolics

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Come on Mike what's up? You ask a question and don't engage? I spent like an hour typing that. Show me some love bro.

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But having said that, it is my opinion that most people who identify themselves as Christian in the US are false converts. My guess would be only about 20% of those who identify themselves as Christian in the US are actually saved. And I wouldn't be shocked if the percentage was lower.

My guess would be even lower.

I think the fact that they don't bear fruit is indicates not that they were saved and fell away, but that they were never saved in the first place, and only gave the appearance of salvation for a time).

I agree fully.

I don't believe someone just identifies themselves as Christian, joins a church, or says the sinner prayer to be saved. I believe that someone has to understand the basic gospel message and repent of their sins and trust in Christ.

Now were getting to the heart of my question. What TO YOU is the basic gospel message? Who does one have to believe Christ is to make their faith effective?

Is it more wrong for example to teach Jesus pre existed as Michael the archangel than to teach he is the SECOND PERSON of THREE PERSONS OF GOD who all existed eternally?

I don't believe them to be saved because they are part of a heretical cult with many bad doctrines (though you agree with them on annihilationism) which denies the deity of Jesus, and their works based salvation model which includes forced "evangelism" (I think JWs call it preaching ministry) and complete submission to the "Governing Body" (the Watch Tower Tract Society).

I don't think they believe in annihilation. From what I gather it seems they don't believe the wicked will be raised from the dead period. How many bad doctrines can one go along with and still be saved? Does any particular doctrine cancel out ones faith when he makes that initial belief in Christ?

I mean say the JW'S knock on ones door. He has been feeling bad about his evil lifestyle. They pray with him to accept Christ. Is he still lost because of THEIR false doctrines?

What you refer to as forced "evangelism" seems to me like an acceptance of Christs command to go and make disciples. It seems like a "vision" which hardly any other Churches do have.

How about on the other hand Evangelical and Pentecostal Churches go arm in arm with Pagans and Catholics celebrating Christmas as if were something ordained of God? At least JW'S understand the compromise involved.

Whereas JWs and Mormons are both heretical cults, they still at least claim to believe the gospel (I think we could throw in 7th Day Adventists too---and a lot of people would even throw in....ONENESS PENTECOSTALS). They are at least on the fringe of the Christian circle (probably just outside of it). So while I'd be surprised if we saw JWs in heaven, I can't say I'd feel "deceived" or "duped".

So you consider Apostolics just OUTSIDE of Christianity? Why then should it be surprising they would (some of them) say Evangelicals are just outside of it?

From what I recall you are NOT Trinitarian. You believe in Oneness. And yet you present a scenario where the Evangelical Trinitarians are INSIDE Christianity but the Oneness believers are OUTSIDE of it? Hmmmmmm.