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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Not really MTD. You want confusion? Produce for me even one denomination/group/sect...even one single PERSON who taught what y'all call the "apostles doctrine" before 1913?
I agree with you guys that the Bible is the authority not church history. However when we construct a narrative of what the apostle's taught that doesn't match ANYTHING ever observed before our American sect in the 1900's I think that's problematic and a pretty strong indicator that the apostles didnt teach what some believe they did.
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Consider this. You MIGHT be able to produce someone from before the 1500's who taught one need not be baptized in water to be saved. It would be very hard to find. Matter of fact if you know of any group that did let me know for personal reference.
Another thing to consider. When people disagree with you many times they distort your position. I have been teaching on Paltalk.com for 13 years and I have seen this many times over. People accuse me all the time of things I don't believe. Someone who heard them, if I were not present to make the correction would think those were really my beliefs.
So when we look back into history we look back from the lens of people who many times were opposing certain groups and writing in such a way their real position is unclear or distorted.
Last of all take Oneness doctrine for example. You yourself believe in it. And yet if one reads many "apologetics" sites you would think that no one heard of Oneness doctrine until 1913! I have even talked with some who said Oneness doctrine was invented by William Branham in the 1940's!
Without doubt hundreds or thousands of young believers in Jesus will read that and will then pass it on. See what I mean? Oftentimes what you may see in Church history will not be accurate. I have read the ECF at times just for something different to read. It truly can be confusing hearing things they taught.
That's why I contend the Apostles doctrine is safe and secure. I place Peter, John, and Paul, far above those who I started out being led by. Billy Graham, Dave Wilkerson, Hal Lindsey. I discovered on various issues they differed from the apostles.
So it does not matter to me if all the Church historians agreed with each other on lets say , the Trinity.
It appears to me that all the ECF agreed with each other that baptism was essential to salvation. Would you therefore agree with them?
So when its all said and done my walk has been like this. I have judged what men are saying in light of what Jesus said through his chosen apostles.
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