The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[TheLegalist]

••Actually, Ephesians 1:13 negates everything you've said. It very simply says, "And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago".

LOL! As usual you ignore the witness that receiving the HS is not by blind faith that you have. Congrats on your continued insistance in error. I have no problem with the verse as I can see it for what it is. You on the other hand really can't answer the questions presented and chuck doesn't either.

So do you believe that verse? Let's ask this...does every person who believes receive the Holy Spirit? That is what it says, so do you believe that? Would you take it to believe that if you believe, you will...as in a futuristic statement....receive the Holy Spirit?

Does a person receive the HS before baptism? I imagine you would say yes and I as well say yes you can. Yet THEY KNEW THEY DIDN'T BY SIMPLY BELIEVING!

••When I believed in my heart and confessed with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead. Simple.

and the continuance of blind faith teaching when Acts clearly shows different.

••It has everything to do with it. It's a very simple statement that cannot be added to. Well, it can be added to, which you are doing, but it's not right.

yeaaaahhh.... the problem is like all your other friends is you make "faith" one thing and not about the whole. Typcal...

People had already believed and had not received... Paul asked HAVE YOU SINCE which means it is not automatic reception without knowing THUS NOT BLIND FAITH.

••I'm gonna post something Chuck Smith said about this verse. I'm sure you'll disagree, but I'll put it in a separate post.

yawn...

••But it doesn't say, "If you believe you CAN receive". It says "Which will be given to everyone who believes."

YES believes is a continous understanding it not about "once believed received." LOL!

••What would you like to know...what Simon the sorcerer saw? There are a myriad of things he could have seen. Chuck Smith mentions the number of ways the Holy Spirit manifests itself. If you put Simon's testimony into a box where it can only mean "Tongues", you are doing the Holy Spirit a GREAT disservice. The Holy Spirit is SO much more and I hate to see you, or others limit it to that.

hmm the continous witness is clear and the witness is that he "speaks" as a witness. That is how God is. The unruly member bears witness of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by notofworks

If one works hard enough at it, one can make any verse mean anything. And you've worked very hard.

yes and the believe only crowd has to ignore the points made.